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@kitty12 before committing a swap like this it may be a good idea to tag or look for input from those familiar with the taxa being proposed to be changed first.

“If a taxon change is likely to be controversial, starting a discussion before rather than after the change is prudent.” - iNaturalist Curator Guide

Considering there were several observations on the site using the name V. baldwinii subsp. interior and only two users were involved in the swap with no discussion on whether this was the best decision for the iNat taxonomy except for the mention of FNA’s treatment, it stands to reason this change is likely to be controversial.

@whiteoak @jim_keesling @theo_witsell @apbraun1s @justin_thomas

Anotado por aidancampos hace 7 meses

I agree, this is why I'm reluctant to commit many taxon changes that I draft. I prefer to wait as long as possible since there is no urgency, but I know there are curators who prefer to move more quickly. not pointing fingers, just want to make it clear why there are a number of taxon changes floating around that I've created but others have taken the plunge to commit.

@aidancampos thank you for the references, this is the sort of discussion I was hoping to have via the flag

Anotado por sbrobeson hace 7 meses

The flag was made on October 3. For eight days there was nary a taxonomic peep. No request for a deviation. No discussion at all from supposed interested people.

There were, if I recall correctly, no nominate variety observations at all. There were fewer than 10 var. interior observations. The merge was drafted appropriately by @sbrobeson, and committed in line with the current iNaturalist guidance related to taxon swaps/ merges https://inaturalist.freshdesk.com/en/support/solutions/articles/151000015335-section-b-how-to-respond-to-a-flag-requesting-to-change-the-name-of-a-taxon and number of observations https://inaturalist.freshdesk.com/en/support/solutions/articles/151000023796-section-a-synonymizing-relationship-unknowns#Step-1%3A-Make-sure-the-taxon-is-not-flagged-and-has-less-than-100-observations.

If you wish to have the taxa reinstated, please flag the species, @ all the people who you think have a stake in these varieties, and finally, once you have gathered references and arguments, share them with bi@kew.org who may or may not choose to make changes to their taxonomy. Even if they don't we might still choose to deviate. That's the process.

Anotado por kitty12 hace 7 meses

I hope you can understand that plenty of (even dedicated) users may go more than a week without logging on at all and even if they are logging in/visiting the site everyday many of us have sometimes hundreds of notifications both in the notification box and on our homepage that can be a pain to sort through. I and I’m sure plenty of others would advocate for more care when committing taxon swaps even if they seem to have little interest or people with a “stake” in the taxa and I stand by what I have stated previously. What is likely to cause controversy as far as taxon swaps may be up to interpretation, but my stance would be that it would be better to err on the side of caution in that if (in a case like this) it is clear the infrataxa are being used (i.e. by having even a few observations), then discussion and tagging of those using the infrataxa would be a good idea, rather than committing without much if any meaningful discussion.

Anotado por aidancampos hace 7 meses

Agreed not everyone is on here all the time. But surely if you have a stake in a taxon, especially as a curator, you should care about its compliance with iNaturalist taxonomic frameworks. Those with a stake in the taxon should flag taxa that lack taxonomic frameworks and follow the above steps to have them either brought under deviations or swapped.

Anotado por kitty12 hace 7 meses

We can't monitor every taxon we're interested in- that would involve at least the entire Eastern US's flora for me personally, I can't check flags for them all- and often we deviate from POWO for scientifically justifiable reasons. Given that I have no idea how to set up an iNat taxon framework (despite attempts- somehow I got Silphium reniforme to work) and there is no curator guide under the help tab covering that topic that I have found, I'm sure that that is a step that a LOT of taxa , especially recently described ones, are lacking. I will be reinstating this taxon, in line with an email to POWO.

Anotado por wildlander hace 7 meses

(To clarify- I'm emailing POWO first, and then reinstating it. Given the evidence I cannot see them failing to accept it).

Anotado por wildlander hace 7 meses

Thanks! Sorry if I came off a bit annoyed above, it's at the database and not you.

Anotado por wildlander hace 7 meses

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